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Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

dsi r4 — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:05:19 -0000

Hi Guy's,
Apple does not mean "profit" for the user. Of course this depends if you see the draconian control on the user experience(hardware,software) as good or bad.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

billyoffs — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:10:36 -0000

Speaking of sleeping and dreaming... Apple is not activily pursuing the server market in case you didn't know that. They are not building cheap netbooks or notebooks that sell for $249 either. Yes they are growing and have tripled their user base which is small business and consumers in the past 5 years or so. Saying Apple is not good at a market it isn't interested in is like saying Microsoft isn't good in at making MP3 players or an app or music store... what they have the Zune, I forgot.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

billyoffs — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:05:13 -0000

How many times is Enderle going to put this tired fantasy online? What he is asking is for Apple to abandon its hardware sales which brings in something like 80% + of its profits. WTF. Enderle is soooo clueless about Apple's business strategy he should never write about that company again. Rob in case you read this, clones almost destroyed Apple in the 90's, there is no way they are going there again. The Window's strategy is not the same as Apple's please get that through your thick skull.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

Junior117 — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:49:03 -0000

Too late... I already have 7 on my Mac!

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

engdesigner — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:19:53 -0000

Windows Boxes are a spaghetti mess because windows allows more freedom to software developers to use the core tools of the hardware. Apple doesn't allow 3rd party software wide enough usage of the system hardware to make a Mac version of software viable (in many cases). I use high end 3d engineering design software & finite element analysis which can't run on a Mac. From my understanding, in dealing with reps from these software companies, Mac sacrifices flexibility in its OS for stability. I unfortunately can't expect Mac versions of my apps anytime soon. The point is both systems have pluses & minuses. While "innovation killer" may have been a harsh term for Apple's 3rd party software philosophy, its not inaccurate.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

Ron — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:52:53 -0000

"Instead they try to invent themselves t death. We all know where this ends: just look at Linux, to much choices."

Hum? Apple has one (current) OS and that's it/ Where do we have much choices? There is one version which works, that's it. You are probably more talking about the Home, Professional, Ultimate, .... versions M$ came up with at Windows Vista...

"Oh, and where is the Fix for their latest HW. How dumb can i be to bring out something "new" around the start of Win 7 which reminds every one that Apple also has its Vista Products."

I don't think Windows 7 is a competitor for Apple. You either like Apple and run their OS with their products, or you are on the M$ side. I think the latest HW upgrades that came out are great - can't see anything dumb about it.

Maybe you wake up?

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

Joe Public — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:36:07 -0000

The first paragraph needed punctuation as there's no excuse for a run-on sentence like that one. I was determined to persevere until I found this gem at the start of paragraph two: "While Steve Ballmer and Steve Jobs are often compared to each other..."

By who? When? They are so dissimilar that there's no basis for comparison.

I can't say if there's any valid content in this article as I stopped reading right there.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

Bill gates — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:02:19 -0000

Rob Enderle sound like a right c**k no brain really that why he write this crap

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

Rob — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:15:31 -0000

seriously?

"This would suggest that an incredibly large number of recent Apple customers are putting Windows 7 on their Macs anyway and not waiting for Apple to license the product from Microsoft."

What about bootcamp, that Apple has had since 2006, allowing users to install Windows directly on a Mac (with partition, bootloader & driver support even)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

"Somehow I don't expect this to make it into a Mac vs. PC commercial"

Actually, they already did; http://movies.apple.com/mov...

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

TheTruth — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:56:55 -0000

You sound as vague, and spout as much disinformation, as Rob (the 'group' of one) Enderle. You're not him posting under another name are you? Is it really you Rob?!?

If you could just see how ridiculous your statements like "not being the innovation killer" are you would crawl back into the black hole of ignorance you just crawled out of. Go and lookup the definition of "innovation" and try and convince us that Apple is not an innovator. You won't get far. Apple is about the only real innovator around in the computer/mobile space. Cast your mind back to the smart phone space before Apple entered. Why they were such bad innovators... that every manufacturer since has been bending over backwards to try and emulate them (except for the Chinese who just steal the ideas wholesale).

From your "innovation" comment I gather you are alluding to Psystar, that 'poor innocent trailblazer' company struggling against that 'big bully' Apple. Sheesh. Psystar is, pure and simple, just a petty thief. They can't, or won't, truly innovate themselves so they just want to hitch a free ride on Apple's efforts and flog off some cobbled together boxes and get themselves some competition free space from the thousands of other (Windows) box movers by touting their 'unique' position of illegally installing Mac OS X on the machines.

Apple deliberately makes and delivers a computing *platform*. They don't make and sell separately - a computer, an OS, peripherals. They make Macs - and people buy Macs. The reason why they offer OS upgrades at a lower price than Microsoft is because people have already invested in the platform in the Mac they have purchased.

That tired old argument "I'm a snob look at my pretty MAC" trotted out by Windows users is such sour grapes. A 'reverse Lauren logic' (from the Windows ads) where she says "I'm not cool enough for a Mac" - so if she (by admission) is not cool enough for a Mac then, by hell, everyone who buys a Mac must do so to be a stinkin' snob. She, and you, just doesn't get it....

Why did I switch to Macs (and successfully switch dozens of people also since) from Windows? I had used, and suffered, under Windows for years. Technically I knew that Windows was a spaghetti mess (don't bother to try and say it isn't), I tried Linux but the desktop environment is, unfortunately, still a fragmented mess with no real leader to stop the fragmentation. Then I honestly looked at the Macintosh platform - built on top of rock solid BSD Unix (hooray no more Windows mess), with a modern coherent and beautiful UI, matched with hardware into an elegant, and desirable, package. No brainer.

Macs are made by people who want to create beautiful and functional tools, not people (Microsoft) counting numbers and working out how to shaft their next unsuspecting business partner.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

Herbert Knoll — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:10:33 -0000

Thanks for the article, well written.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

james — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:15:18 -0000

I just want to know if Rob still thinks that Microsoft wrote the original Mac OS?

http://www.digitaltrends.co...

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

Andrei — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:30:55 -0000

Profit for Apple does not mean "profit" for the user. Of course this depends if you see the draconian control on the user experience(hardware,software) as good or bad.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

amm — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:52:02 -0000

Good Morning, can someone wake up here?

Psystar is basically stealing 123boot Technology which is free anyway.

Psystar was cool when they offered the complete solution: a PC with a Mac OS on it. But the "rebel" stuff is just lame.

The rest with the VMware is on the point. Apple just is crap in a "real" world: no real Servers, no effort to be real interested in Visualation Stuff ( XP Mode in Win 7 ) etc.

Instead they try to invent themselves t death. We all know where this ends: just look at Linux, to much choices.

Oh, and where is the Fix for their latest HW. How dumb can i be to bring out something "new" around the start of Win 7 which reminds every one that Apple also has its Vista Products.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

Joe Anonymous — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:02:19 -0000

Just when you think it's impossible for Enderle to look even more foolish, he manages to pull it off.

Just curious, Rob, have you EVER been right about any of your anti-Apple diatribes?

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

hss1 — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:29:03 -0000

Well there is no money in this for Apple Microsoft makes $50 per $1000 Laptop in licence fees

Apple Makes nearly 30% Margin per machine thats $300 per Mac, with the Business model it has Apple has Nearly $34 Billion turnover and $6.7 Billion profit per year and has nearly $34 Billion in cash in the bank!!!!

Microsoft has a $60 Billion and $9 Billion profit per year and $20 Billion Cash in the bank, which with 80% Marketshare is not good compared with Apples 6%.

Apple should stick to the Business Model OSX for Mac's only it is in to make profit not expand its marketshare!!!! look what happened to GM.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

louis_wheeler — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:57:04 -0000

You are delusive, Rob. Google and Apple are not in competition with each other.

Apple makes its money by selling hardware while Google's money comes from advertising views. All Google and Apple want to do is steal away Microsoft's monopoly. Google's Chrome OS is a light weight Operating System designed for search engines or the Web. It will never have the strength or the applications to do Apple any harm.

Apple will never be in cahoots with Microsoft. There is nothing that either would gain from that.

The Operating system market will be balkanized for the next three to five years.. A huge segment of the market (a third) will be staying with Windows 2000 and XP until the hardware they run on breaks irretrievably. Apple will be gaining converts from Microsoft as Windows XP users are forced to decide to upgrade or to migrate.

Microsoft will get all the Vista users and the top half of the XP market as people buy new computers. Google will be slowly taking over the NetBooks and then moving up the consumer market until it divides that with Apple. The SMB market will slowly move toward Apple, but some SMB needs can be run as software as a service on Google. Enterprise and government sales will remain Microsoft's niche, although Apple and Google will be nibbling at its edges.

None of this will be happening fast. System Seven isn't good enough to pull people out of XP nor is it bad enough to push many to Apple. System Seven's malware problems will remain, as it will be exploited relentlessly while Apple remains unaffected. The problem is that Windows users are conditioned into accepting the malware problem, because they have never run on a secure computer system.

Apple will be picking up some real speed as applications are migrated, next year, to 64 bit apps, Grand Central Dispatch and Open CL. We will be looking at 200 to 1200% gains over Windows apps on the same computers. I expect Apple to moving in on the Gaming market, but not until the year has passed. Apple has some logistical problems it must solve first.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

Amazing — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:47:10 -0000

Rob, you clever bastard!

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

Don — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:31:45 -0000

Rob "Never Right" Enderle, head of the "Enderle Group" (i.e., Rob and his wife) strikes again with inane, stupid ideas. Apple works hard to keep malware and bloat off of its computers. Why would they want to license MS crapware and force even more people to pay a Microsoft Tax? MS has some good people, but seems incapable of creating anything original, of quality, financially lucrative, and practical (Windows, Office, Zune, XBox, Bob, Clippy, WinMo, etc.). Only idiots and fools take advice from "Never Right" Enderle.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

HLdan — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:21:59 -0000

You just countered your own point Ralf. You say that you don't a problem with Apple selling boxed copies of Windows? Then you say Apple users have no use for it? Okay, well why sell Windows at the Apple store then? Apple would be buying extra "useless" stock of copies of Windows for people that have no use for it. We will never get rid of the dependency of Windows if we keep it around like a crutch.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

Daniel — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:11:49 -0000

Rob,

I believe you often miss the point to why Apple continues to be successful. Microsoft has the most to lose to Google not Apple. Apple can continue to be profitable in a Google dominated market if Apple continues to get 5-10% of the PC market.

It's Microsoft who is really going to lose if all of sudden they drop market share. MS is already associated with inexpensive PC, which is were Google is targeting it's sights on. So how does MS compete with Google possible OS. Both OS will compete on features, multiple hardware platforms and many possible customization. So if users and vendors are looking at cost, Google might be an easier choice over MS.

Apple in the meanwhile will continue to provide the integration of the OS and hardware, which neither Google and MS are able to compete in, as their selling point to purchase an Apple product. The iPod and now the iPhone has shown many users why this philosophy might work for them, so this gives Apple an opening to present to users to have a second look at their laptops/desktop.

I'll finish off by saying that Apple will continue to leverage what Google has to offer, look at the Maps apps on the iPhone as an example. Even though the backend part of the Maps apps is owned and run by Google, it is Apple design of the Map Apps that makes it a very easy and useful product on it's iPhone.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

Ralf T. Dog — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:09:24 -0000

I don't see a problem with Apple selling boxed versions of Windows at the Apple Store. Most Apple users have no use for it. I have never ran into an application on Windows that did not have an equivalent or better on the Mac (Games excluded).

I don't see Google Docs as competition to MS Office. That competition comes from Open Office/Neo Office. Google Docs is more of a collaboration tool than anything else.

Google OS will be fun to play with. I don't see trusting it for work. If you lose your internet connection you are doornailed.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

Ed — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:49:14 -0000

Actually i have been wondering about this as well. Of coz it depends on Microsoft License Terms. Windows 7 Starter Edition, is actually more then enough for VM usage. You need it to run apps and games. Starter Edition offer compatibility at very low cost. And if Apple does large volume license, it would be even cheaper. Which means for Added Options, Apple could Offer VMware Fusion + Windows 7 Starter at a cheap price.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

rip — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:47:18 -0000

Wrong. You can run W7 at 64bit in the new VMWare.

Re: Why Apple should license Windows 7

Rip — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:45:20 -0000

You forget what "buying Apple hardware" means as a total purchase. In terms of a solution's overall value, including bundled software, Apple has MS beat hands down. If MS offered anything even remotely comparable to Apple's built in features, Apple wouldn't be able to charge what they do. Of course, MS does have a killer spreadsheet program. Now that's what people are clamoring for! :P